- Introduction
- 4K60 USB-C hubs for laptops with DP 1.4
- 4K60 USB-C hubs for laptops with DP 1.2
- Why choose a portable USB-C hub vs a Desktop-class dock?
- Honorable mentions
- More reading
Introduction
Suppose you have a 4K monitor or two high refresh rate 1080p/1440p monitors and a laptop with a single USB-C port supporting video output. What is a straightforward and economical approach to get the full refresh rate capabilities of the monitors while also being able to use USB devices like a mouse and thumbdrive?
On many laptops, USB-C port bandwidth is limited such that you can only use 4K @ 60Hz OR USB 3.x @ 5Gb/s+ speeds, not both. For such laptops, USB devices must be limited to USB 2.0 speeds (480Mb/s) in order to achieve 4K @ 60Hz via DisplayPort 1.2 (DP 1.2) alternate mode. Most simple hubs on the market run USB devices at 5Gb/s which limits the monitor to 30Hz. For many users, this feels extremely slow/laggy even if they are not gamers. What’s worse is that marketing materials are rarely straightforward about monitor refresh rates. There are dozens of off-brand hubs on ebay, amazon, and aliexpress claiming 60Hz support (at least for 1080p) as well as 4K support. But what they don’t mention is that 4K always runs at 30Hz. Some of these devices have logic built in such that a monitor will run at 4K60 as long as no USB devices are plugged in. But as soon as a USB 3.x device is plugged in, the 4K monitor drops to 30Hz. Similarly, some will automatically limit USB speeds when a 4K60Hz capable monitor is detected, but this detection doesn’t always work properly.
More recent laptops implement DisplayPort 1.4 (DP 1.4) alternate mode with display stream compression (DSC) over USB-C which can run 1x or 2x 4K60 AND USB devices at 5Gb/s or faster simultaneously from the same USB-C port. Older hubs don’t take advantage of this capability and will still run monitors at 30Hz or limit USB speeds unnecessarily.
Below is a collection of economical USB-C hubs to extend your laptop to run 1x or 2x 4K monitors at 60Hz alongside USB devices. The minimum feature set to be considered for this list is:
- one or more HDMI or DisplayPort video ports supporting 4K60 via DP alt mode (not DisplayLink)
- one or more USB A-style ports
- 60W or more USB-C power delivery for laptop charging
- compact/portable
- $100 USD or less
4K60 USB-C hubs for laptops with DP 1.4
These hubs are well-suited for newer laptops which support DP1.4. Most of these hubs allow 1x 4K60 or 2x 4K30 monitors alongside 5Gb/s+ USB. Some laptops will also manage 2x 4K60 (see compatibility notes). Older laptops will work OK, but will run in DP1.2 alt mode which may limit monitor bandwidth to 1x 4K30 or 2x1080p. Users of older laptops should consider the DP1.2 hubs.
Compatibility notes
Even though spec sheets of various laptops may indicate DP1.4 and/or DSC capabilities, this technology is new and we’ve had many user reports of compatibility issues between various hubs and laptop models when trying to get the highest monitor resolutions to work alongside USB 3.x devices. For example, setting up 2x 4K60 monitors via multi-stream transport (MST) is particularly challenging on many laptops from 2019-2020 and almost impossible on systems based on the Intel 9th/10th Gen Core processors. Intel 11th Gen Core processors fare much better. I don’t have the resources to test all the combinations, but this list includes what should work if your PC implements DP 1.4 with DSC and MST properly.
If you have problems getting 2x 4K60 working on hubs that also support USB 3.x devices, email the laptop vendor and dock vendor and see if firmware updates are available. Many vendors have revised their specifications since launch to indicate only 1x 4K60 is possible.
A hub that limits USB devices to 2.0 speeds instead such as Cable Matters 201046 or 201355 is a better bet on problematic laptops and often will enable 2x 4K60 to work at the expense of slower speeds for your USB devices.
Unless otherwise indicated, power supplies are NOT included.
Device Brand and Model | Photo | USB-C PD passthrough power | Monitor ports | Other Ports | Additional Notes | Cost ($USD) |
Anker PowerExtreme A83800A1 | 100W (~85W laptop charging) | 2x HDMI 2.0 (1x 4K60 or 2x 4K30) | – 2x USB 3.x 5Gb/s – 1Gb/s Ethernet – UHS-I SDCard reader | ~50-90 | ||
Anker PowerExtreme A83830A1 | 100W (~85W laptop charging) | 1x HDMI 2.0 (1x 4K60) | – 1x USB-C 10Gb/s – 2x USB 3.x 10Gb/s – 1Gb/s Ethernet – UHS-I SDCard reader | – has 10Gb/s USB | ~60-90 | |
Cable Matters 201046-BLK | 60W | 1x DP 1.4 (1x 8K30 or 1x 4K120) | – 2x USB 2.0 – 100Mb/s Ethernet | – 4K60 OK on DP 1.2 laptops | ~40-50 | |
Cable Matters 201355-BLK | 100W (~85W laptop charging) | 2x DP 1.4 (1x 8K30 or 2x 4K60) | – 2x USB 2.0 – 100Mb/s Ethernet | – 4K60 OK on DP 1.2 laptops – 2x 4K60 OK on many DP 1.4 laptops without DSC | ~60-65 | |
Cable Matters 201331-BLK | 100W (~85W laptop charging) | 3x DP 1.4 (1x 8K30 or 2x4K60 or 3x4K30) | – USB-C 5Gb/s – 2x USB 3.x 5Gb/s – 1Gb/s Ethernet | -PC must support DP 1.4 with DSC over MST for 2x 4K60 | ~80-90 | |
CalDigit SOHO | 100W (~85W laptop charging) | 1x DP 1.4 1x HDMI 2.0b (1x 4K60 HDR or 2x 4K30) | – USB-C 10Gb/s – USB 3.x 10Gb/s – UHS-II SDCard reader | – detachable 0.5m USB-C cable – has 10Gb/s USB – has UHS-II support | ~80 | |
Club3D CSV-1593/ CE-Link UTC-C2UE2UHMS01-DP1.4-AL | – | 100W (~85W laptop charging) | 2x HDMI 2.0 (1x 4K60 or 2x 4K30) | – 2x USB 3.x 5Gb/s – 1Gb/s Ethernet – UHS-I SDCard reader | – DSC not working only 1x 4K60 | ~75 |
Dockteck DT0001 | 100W (~85W laptop charging) | 1x HDMI 2.0 (1x 4K60) | – USB 3.x 5Gb/s | – most barebones device on list – Dockteck is an alternate brand name for CableCreation | ~25 | |
DockTeck DT0002 | 100W (~85W laptop charging) | 1x HDMI 2.0 (1x 4K60) | – USB 3.x 5Gb/s – 1Gb/s Ethernet | – | ~30 | |
DockTeck DT0008/ Techwolf hub | 100W (~85W laptop charging) | 1x HDMI 2.0 (1x 4K60) | – 3x USB 3.x 5Gb/s | – multiple re-brands available | ~30 | |
Dockteck DT0007 | 100W (~85W laptop charging) | 1x HDMI 2.0 (1x 4K60) | – 2x USB 3.x 5Gb/s – 1Gb/s Ethernet – UHS-I SDCard reader | – | ~30 | |
Dockteck DT0009 | 100W (~85W laptop charging) | 1x HDMI 2.0 (1x 4K60) | – 3x USB 3.x 5Gb/s – 1Gb/s Ethernet – UHS-I SDCard reader | – | ~40 | |
HyperDrive Gen2 6-port | 100W (~85W laptop charging) | 1x HDMI 2.0 (1x 4K60) | – USB 3.x 10Gb/s – UHS-II SDCard reader – 3.5mm TRRS audio | – has 10Gb/s USB – has audio – has UHS-II support | ~70 | |
Rosewill RHUB-100W / Juiced NovaHub/ UpTab UP-TCHUBG2 | 100W (~85W laptop charging) | 1x HDMI 2.0b (1x 4K60 HDR) | – USB-C 10Gb/s – 2x USB 3.x 10Gb/s – 1Gb/s Ethernet – UHS-I SDCard reader | – multiple re-brands available | ~40-75 | |
Wavlink WL-UMD502 | 100W (~60W laptop charging) | 1x DP 2x HDMI (1x 4K60 or 2x 4K30 or 3x 1080p) | – 3x USB 3.x 5Gb/s – 2x USB 2.0 – 1Gb/s Ethernet – UHS-1 SDCard reader – 3.5mm TRRS audio | – has audio | ~60-70 |
4K60 USB-C hubs for laptops with DP 1.2
These hubs limit USB peripheral speeds to USB 2.0 (480Mb/s) to ensure that a single monitor will run at 4K60 over DP1.2 alt mode. Example laptops in this category are Surface Book 2, Surface Go, Surface Go 2, and Surface Laptop Go. Newer, more capable laptops with DP1.4 will work fine, but DP1.4 hubs are a better choice for those systems.
Note: Unless otherwise indicated, external power supplies are sold separately.
Device Brand/Model | Photo | USB-C PD passthrough power | Monitor ports | Other ports | Additional Notes | Cost ($USD) |
Cable Matters 201055-BLK | 60W | 2x DP 1.2 (2x 4K30 or 1x 4K60) | – 2x USB 2.0 – 100Mb/s Ethernet | – also consider 201355 | ~60 | |
Cable Matters 201056-BLK | 60W | 2x HDMI (2x 4K30 or 1x 4K60) | – 2x USB 2.0 – 100Mb/s Ethernet | – | ~60 | |
Cable Matters 201031-BLK | 60W | 1x DP 1.2 / 1x HDMI / 1x VGA (1x 4K60) | – USB 2.0 – 100Mb/s Ethernet | – 3 video ports but only 1 distinct video output | ~50 | |
Startech DK30C2DAGGPD | 100W (~85W laptop charging) | 2x DP (2x 4K30 or 1x 4K60) | – USB 3.x – USB 2.0 – 1Gb/s Ethernet | – Has physical switch to choose high bandwidth video or high bandwidth USB/Ethernet – detachable USB-C cable | ~100-125 | |
Startech DK30C2HAGPD | 100W (~85W laptop charging) | 2x HDMI (2x 4K30 or 1x 4K60) | – USB 3.x – USB 2.0 – 1Gb/s Ethernet | – Has physical switch to choose high bandwidth video or high bandwidth USB/Ethernet – detachable USB-C cable | ~100 | |
Ruiyushidai/UXD hub | 100W (~85W laptop charging) | 1x HDMI (1x 4K60) | – 2x USB 2.0 | – | ~30 |
Why choose a portable USB-C hub vs a Desktop-class dock?
Characteristic | Desktop-class Dock | Portable powered hub | Portable bus-powered hub |
Travel weight | 1-1.5kg (2-3.25 pounds) | 100-500g (0.25-1 pound) depending on external power supply | 75-200g (0.25-0.5 pounds) |
Cost ($ USD) | ~$100-300 | ~$30-100 (plus power adapter) | ~$15-50 |
Power supply | included; required to operate dock | sold separately; recommended but not required to operate all hubs | bus-powered by the laptop |
Power per USB port | – 4.5W, 7.5W, or 15W* *(15W typically only on Thunderbolt docks for 1-2 ports) | – usually 4.5-5W – some ports may support 7.5W while others are limited to 2.5W | – 2.5W – 4.5-5W may be supported on 1 port |
Cable | detachable 1m (3 feet) cable (typical) | 15-30cm (6-12 inches) integrated cable (typical) | 10-15cm integrated cable |
Cable management | good; easy to route cables to work with other devices | varies; port placement chosen for hub compactness, not convenience | varies |
PD laptop charging | 60-100W | 45-85W (some power used by hub) | N/A |
Reliability | good | good when external power supply attached; fair when detached | fair |
# distinct monitor outputs | 2-4 | 1-2 | 1 |
# USB ports | 3-8 | 1-3 | 1-3 |
3.5mm Audio | most | some | some |
Ethernet | yes | some | some |
Smartcard reader | some | some | some |
Honorable mentions
Here are a handful of products that didn’t quite fit the defined criteria but are interesting nonetheless:
- Aoken/JBingGG 3-in-1 hub (DP1.2 4K60 vs USB 3.x bandwidth auto-select – out of production)
- Yishen 3-in-1 hub (DP1.2 4K60 vs USB 3.x bandwidth auto-select – out of production)
- Baseus USB-C->HDMI adapter (just HDMI 4K60 + 60W PD – no other ports)
- Cable Matters 201026 (just DP 1.4 + 100W PD – no other ports)
- Cable Matters 201028 (just HDMI 4K60 + 60W PD – no other ports)
- MonoPrice 24274 (just HDMI 4K60 + 60W PD – no other ports)
- UGreen 80129 (4K60 HDMI with USB 3.x ports and smartcard reader – no power delivery)
Please let me know of additional 4K60 capable hubs you’ve had good results with.
Through your post is how I first learned that there are finally hubs that do PD passthrough and DP 1.4 with DSC. I have a Surface Laptop 3 and a monitor that provides PD power (and can do power/data/video on one cable, but only TB3, not USB) so now there is finally a hub which would allow me to get power, high res video and USB 3 via a single cable connected to the Surface Laptop 3….
Well, sort of. I got the Cable Matters 201331-BLK and here are my impressions.
First, power pass through and USB work fine.
Video doesn’t work so smoothly, though.
* So my monitor runs at 5120×2160 – a little over 4K. I can run it at max 30 Hz even though there should be enough bandwidth for 60 Hz. If it can do two monitors at 3840×2160@60Hz, adding that extra 1280×2160 screen area (way less than another 4K monitor) to get to 5K shouldn’t force it to go down to 30 Hz.
* In fact with the prior adapter I used – Cable Matters 201046-BLK – I was able to run 5K60 + USB2. Now I have USB3, but only 5K30…
* Things get even worse when I try to add another monitor. I thought, well maybe it forces the 30 Hz, so that you can still add other monitors at full resolution. I added a 2560×1600 monitor… and… it forces it down to 1280×800 (albeit at 60 Hz with no option to change it).
I don’t know if there are any software tweaks to make it work well. Ultimately it delivers marginal utility.
Maybe the CalDigit SOHO works better… That’s the other option with can do PD pass-through + 2+ DP 1.4 with DSC + USB3.
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I couldn’t recreate my Surface GO / 2x2560x1440@60Hz setup with a cable matters 201055 dock on a Surface Laptop 3 either, bummer. Since there are no problems with other Intel 10Gen/11Gen LG laptops it’s fair to assume these Intel 10Gen Surface devices have some issues with their USB-C implementation, e.g. not achieving same resolution with an HBR2 gen dock yet not working with an HBR3 gen/DSC enabled dock either, I eventually bought a Matebook X Pro 2021 and a TB3 enabled LG 4K Ultrafine display to run a dual 4K 60Hz setup through daisy chaining another display
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This would be great and even more useful if there were also pictures of the items listed too!
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Pictures added – thanks for the suggestion!
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Hi, this is a great article thank you ! I read this through but unfortunately I couldn’t find the one I’m looking for…
I have a single 2560x1440p @165hz monitor with a Display Port. A DP1.4 (or even a DP1.2) should work but what i understand so far is that since the docks work as an active device they need to be set to actually be able to display the 165Hz to work… And I can’t find a single dock at a reasonable price (not 300USD so to speak) that garantee this functionnality, nor even 144Hz which would be acceptable for me! (The 144hz could work with a HDMI 2.0)
Plus I would love the dock to also have a micro/SD card reader, a 1Go ethernet port, and a couple USB A for keyboard and mouse… I don’t think it’s too crazy to ask for that.
Have you ever come across a dock meeting these requirements? 🙂
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The supported resolution is a function of the CPU. For DP1.4 you have the benefit of of a hardware compression protocol called DSC, but most docks do not utilize it. However your CPU may also be a limiting factor and may be limited to 1440p@60Hz. So we really need the exact model number to fully answer this.
For USB C 3.2 gen 2 docks: Dockcase have DSC capability and works flawlessly when enabled from the menus. This also requires a CPU with support for DP1.4. SO what is the exact CPU model please? The reason it is important is that anything above 1440p@60Hz would otherwise require 4 lanes for DP-Alt Mode leaving none for USB. With DSC enabled, and providing the dock supports it, 2 lane mode is utilized, leaving 2 lanes for USB traffic and have those other ports like SD card, ethernet. I have their 8-in-1 detachable and confirmed DSC support when configured correctly on the dock, else will run in 4 lane mode by default, e.g. 4K@60Hz. Same would be true for their 9-in-1 as is the same hardware generation. They have some newer product now too, the 10-in-1 Explorer edition but the claims of dual 4k@60hz would require 2x2lane at DSC leaving none for USB again. Another option is products that utilize DisplayLink, which eliminates dependency on CPU and instead is a USB C GPU.
For TB3 / TB4 docks: the options are quite different and these limits are removed, and would need to know if your laptop has these ports or not in order to recommend suitable equipment.
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My Laptop has a Ryzen 7 7840HS CPU and a GeForce RTX 4070 (Laptop version) GPU
The USB C on my laptop is specified to accept USB power and DisplayPort™ 1.4 in the datasheet, so my CPU should be compatible with the DSC protocol right?
I also have an HDMI 2.1 port on my laptop which I currently use and it gives me a 144hz refresh rate on my monitor. But my monitor only support the full 165Hz through its display port.
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This is great information and thank you.
Option 1 $: The built in HDMI port would be most ideal to utilize the RTX 4070 in all honesty because it will be electrically connected to the dGPU. We can use an adapter from HDMI to DisplayPort. Here is a good article that talks about this. https://www.kensington.com/news/docking-connectivity-blog/difference-between-dp-and-dual-mode-display-video-ports/
Option 2 $: When you use the USB C port on the RTX 4070 laptop, it is not electrically connected to the dGPU (some did though on RTX 3xxx laptops with VirtualLink ports) so other factors come into play. On your laptop we are utilizing DP-Alt mode via the CPU and you may find that directly connecting to the USB C port with a USB C to DP 1.4 adapter will run at the same resolution and refresh rate as the HDMI port.
Option 3 $$ to $$$: Given that your USB C port is likely USB 4 (TB4), you have the benefit of some more advanced hardware docks with support for up to 3 displays, so DSC is less important when you have a USB4/TB4 dock. This comes down to budget though and if your goal is to have a single wire solution that will accomplish everything or would be happy with a couple-few wires to get the job done (option 1 and 2 above). USB4 (TB4) docks vary greatly in quality and feature performance so finding what is well documented can be a challenge. I have the Anker 5-in-1 TB4 dock and ran 1x4K@60Hz, 1x1080p@60Hz, 1xUSB C dock, 1xUSB A hub. All connected by a single wire to an 11th gen intel laptop. I would check eBay for used product for some known brand TB4 product. The Calldigit TS4 is the pinnacle in my opinion.
Option 4 $$: If we stick with USB 3.2 gen 2 docks (less expensive) I turn to Dockcase as can force DisplayPort 1.4a to have DSC on (limits to 2 lane) or off (allows up to 4 lanes) via the built in dock display. I have tested this on their 8-in-1product (HDMI only). The newer 10-in-1 Explorer has two video ports (DP 1.4a and HDMI 2.1) and Kickstarter shows at $119 so would be a good fit in my opinion. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/dockcaseexplorerepro/dockcase-smart-usb-c-hub-10-in-1-explorer-edition / https://www.dockcase.com/
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Cable Matters 201331-BLK and Surface Laptop 3 setup is not working for me to have dual 4K monitors at 60Hz. One monitor can do max 4K 30Hz, another only 1080p at 60 Hz…
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Probably silly question: in order to exploit 2x4k, does monitors need to support DP 1.4 too? In my case I have two BenQ PD3200U (4k panels). In the panel config I can choose between DP1.1 and DP1.2, does it mean they wont work at 4k60hz even if my surface pro 7 supports it?
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@danchar: i’m probably buying a Cable Matters 201331 to see if it works. do you have affiliate links for the european market? I’d buy through this https://www.amazon.it/Cable-Matters-201331-BLK-USB-hub/dp/B086DXLF37
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Good choice. I have not setup EU affiliate links yet. Just send me a photo of your workstation when its done. I love seeing those 🙂
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Sure, will do. And by the way, thank you very much. the information you make available on your blog is invaluable
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I’m afraid Cable Matters 201331-BLK and Surface Pro 7 do not work well together. Connecting just one single 4k display I get 30Hz. I’m in contact with Cable Matters people – I don’t have high hopes but let’s see what they tell me.
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I was in touch with them too since I also only got 30 Hz (albeit at 5K) on my SL3. They said the SL3 only had DP1.2 which is the cause.
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Everything I had read so far said that the Surface Pro 7 supported DP1.4 but at this point it could be that everyone is simply reporting unconfirmed information.
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Great question! When using a hub that decodes DP1.4,/DSC the monitors don’t need to support DP1.4 – since each monitor has its own DP cable, they only need to support DP1.1/1.2.
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I just got the Ruiyushidai/UXD hub but unfortunately it does not allow me to set 60Hz at 4K or UHD resolution on my MacBook Air 2018. However, 60Hz is possible with a Lenovo USB-C to HDMI adapter. What could be the reason for this? I actually thought to have found the solution.
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Thank your for collaborating all this information, I consider this the most useful site on the internet concerning this topic.
I’m running a dual 2560×1440@60Hz configuration with a Surface GO1 and cable matters 201055 dock for some time now.
The new cable matters 201355 should be the ideal successor to this dock for people who already have a USB-C HBR3 equipped laptop like Surface Laptop3/4.
Avoid the cable matters 201331, it’s promised dual4K output just isn’t working on most systems, probably due to the USB 3.0 ports eating away the bandwith.
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Hi
I just bought an i-tec C31NANODOCKPROPD for my SP7 and 4K 60Hz didn’t work.
Their support said that intel 10th gen G series CPUs only support DP1.4 in 4 lane mode, and not in 2 lane mode so 4K 60Hz won’t work with USB 3.
What’s your experience?
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Linking the reddit thread for the benefit of others: https://www.reddit.com/r/UsbCHardware/comments/nxozm2/itec_sbc_metal_nano_3x_display_docking_station/
Yeah I’ve updated the article to list out some of the compat issues folks are having. The hubs that limit USB speeds to 2.0 certainly seem to work better with certain laptops from the late 2019/early 2020 era. Unfortunately, the Cable Matters 201355 is always out of stock – otherwise it would be my goto choice.
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Yeah. I just ordered the club3D one, and report back with resoults.
Unfortunately cable matters isn’t available here in europe.
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The Club3D csv-1593 also maxes out at 4K 30Hz. So with this limitation in mind, I can reccomend both.
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Welp, looks like the initial marketing materials for these docks was wrong. Club3D has corrected it on their page and it now states 1x 4K60 OR 2x 4K30. How disappointing. The CE-Link page is still misleading stating dual 4K60 in one spot but dual 4K30 in another. Clearly, DSC is not working on this dock.
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is the Ruiyushidai uxd one sold under other names?, cant find any
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Hey there, I was almost ready to pull the trigger on the Cable Matters 201331 for my Surface Book 3, but now, reading all the negative experiences with SP7 / SL3, I am a bit puzzled. Dan, kudos for running this site, btw, very-very helpful!
I would like to run 2x 4K@60Hz and have 100W USB-C PD passthrough and optionally wired ethernet. So I should just go with the 201355 and accept 480mbps ethernet speeds? Any word on the stability of the 201365/201375 with 2020 Microsoft devices?
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Hi
back in march 2021, I bought a Cable Matters 201331 to link an SP7 (2020) with one 4k monitor and one 1200p monitor. My experience is that it works BUT you get 30Hz (which to me is unusable)
I contacted Cable Matters customer service (and btw, I have to say that I was surprised by their professionalism. I immediately spoke to a technician who knew what he was talking about, without going through the usual ‘have you tried to switch off and on again?’)
If you are interested I can post the technical details here, but basically they told me that:
– Ice Lake 10th gen should but does not currently enables DSC in MST (Multi-Stream Transport). Cable Matters 201331 requires DP 1.4 and DSC for 4K 60Hz.
– An Intel driver update might change this
– They also suggested me to try another Cable Matters Model 201365 which should work with DP 1.4 and DSC off.
I haven’t bought the 201365 and the 201331 has become a moderately expensive paperweight
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Excellent comment. Thanks for this.
Yes I’ve revised the article (which I’ve been meaning to do for quite a while) Laptops based around Intel 10th gen CPUs certainly have more issues here. The 11th gen laptops seem to work better – still not perfect. The AMD Ryzen laptops don’t seem to have the same issues as Intel but they are not perfect either.
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Thanks, I have read about this 2-lane vs. 4-lane thing last night. Will go with the 201365/201375.
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…and if I interpret right this datasheet from Intel
Click to access 10th-gen-core-families-datasheet-vol-1-datasheet.pdf
9.3.1.1 Multi-Stream Transposrt (MST)
– MST does not supported concurrent with DSC
which appears to have been written by someone having a stroke, but it doesn’t make me hold my breath that a driver update will change things
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Thanks for the link.
Gen 10 direct to page 92 link: https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/datasheets/10th-gen-core-families-datasheet-vol-1-datasheet.pdf#page=92
Gen 11 does not have this note and implies DSC via MST is unrestricted:
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/docs/processors/core/core-technical-resources.html
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Based on your recommendation, I went with the 201365. I am able to get 5120×1440/60 and 2560×1080/60 working using this laptop: https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/cty/new-latitude-5510-laptop/spd/latitude-15-5510-laptop/max5l551015us. Figured I’d come say thanks to you and Dan as well as put it out there for people in the future. The only Issue I have is that it doesn’t provide power when using the 90W Dell usb-c charger. Works perfectly fine with my 60w ZMI Gan PD charger.
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If you don’t need super speed Ethernet or USB devices, get the USB 2,0 version of the cable matters hub. It has a much higher chance of working with 2x 4K60 monitors.
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If you can get it the cable matters 2013355 is the best choice, there’s some problems with DSC support on either Microsoft Surface devices or the cable matters 201331 dock itself (or both, judging by some Amazon reviews) so buying a dock that offers Dual 4K without mandatory DSC support is recommended
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I don’t have surface, but a Lenovo Yoga Laptop with Ryzen7 4800 U. I don’t need 4K (my monitor only has 2560*1080@75Hz), but would like to have a USB-C Dock hat gives me Freesync and HDR. Both work over the HDMI-Port of my Laptop and over a USB-C to Displayport cable, but with none of my USB-C docks.
As I understand it ‘normal’ USB-C docks could give me HDR (when they’re 4k60 capable), but for Freesync I would need a dock that doesn’t touch the DP Signal. So the Cable Matters 201046 should work. But it’s difficult to come by (for normal prices). I found also the Cable Matters 201246, which seems to be a related but a bit differend version, but on amazon it’s only specified as DP 1.2 and 4k60. Would it work with Freesync and HDR?
Or are there other Docks that support both?
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Oh Freesync / DisplayPort adaptive sync is a good question. I don’t see that in marketing materials for Docks. I think you’ll have to ask the vendor. I would assume that DP1.2 docks don’t have this capability unless they specifically mention it (which means they actually have DP1.2a).
DP1.4 docks are far more likely to work, especially those limited to USB 2.0 like the hard-to-find CM 201046 and 201355. These ought to act exactly like your USB-C->DP adapter but just have a little USB 2.0 hub as well. If you can get your hands on one of these at a reasonable price, I think its worth a shot.
For customers building gaming-oriented rigs, I always recommend plugging the monitor directly into the PC rather than through a Dock. High refresh, HDR, Sync, etc, just work better that way. It is a hassle to have multiple cables, but for gaming its really the best way.
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So I bought the Cable Matters 201246 – and Freesync and HDR do actually work.
On the Packaging it says only “4K”. I’m a bit stumped, because having only USB 2.0 i’d guess that the DP Signal is 4Lanes untouched, but then it should support 8k. Is there even a way (or a reason) to dumb the signal down to dp 1.2?
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Actually, I believe this 201246 model does do 8K30 via Display stream compression. I’ll update the article accordingly.
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This is an awesome writeup! I was able to get four 4k60 displays running on a 2021 Zephyrus G15 (with the rtx3060) using two adapters. Wasn’t sure my laptop would handle that, but it’s working great. It’s even running the laptop display at 165hz at the same time.
I used a Cable Matters 201355 and (since I couldn’t find another in stock) a 201375. It appears to be the same thing just without the USB ports and doesn’t have any trouble doing dual 4k60.
Reddit post with pictures https://www.reddit.com/r/ZephyrusG15/comments/tynei7/successfully_running_four_4k_60hz_native_displays/
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Are there any docks that also charge another device ( data + power) apart from the primary laptop?
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Kevin, takes a look at the Thunderbolt 4 docks. (https://dancharblog.wordpress.com/2021/02/05/usb4-tb4-docks/)
Most of those have 2-3 TB4/USB-C ports that each provide 15W charging (5V@3A). I can’t think of any docks that provide more charging capabilities.
Coolgear.com has some lab/industrial focused USB hubs that will charge a dozen devices at a time but with limited hub/data functionality and a high cost.
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There is an awesome set of updated USB C dock products by Dockcase, that have much granular control for things like forcing 2-4 lane and if supported will trigger DSC on. So 4K 60Hz on 2 lanes over HDMI works flawlessly with this dock. The USB Ethernet stays powered off when there is no link. It is worth noting that the Ethenet get up to 75 degrees C at 1Gbps and much cooler if running at 100Mbps link speed. The downside on this dock is that despite the built in fan, there is little to no cooling, which I believe is lack of air inlets. The ports might be part of the air flow design, but in practice, I don’t see this working. Makes me think about drilling holes in it to address.
https://www.dockcase.com/products/dockcase-usb-c-smart-hb-8-1
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Hello,
I got my Lenovo IdeaPad 5 Pro ARH7 this week. In the lenovo manual i cannot figure out if it has DP1.4 but i read somewhere that it has! But i‘m not sure 😦
I would like to deliver 240hz on my 1080p monitor. Can someone suggest a hub for my use-case?
I just want to use the hub for video+keyboard+mouse+headphones
Thanks in advance!
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Yes – any of the AMD systems with the Ryzen 6000 mobile chip have DP 1.4.
But for 240Hz gaming you really should not use a hub – I don’t know of any that do a good job here. 120Hz is no problem on most hubs – you could go with the Lenovo Thunderbolt dock to keep it all the same brand: https://dancharblog.wordpress.com/2021/02/05/usb4-tb4-docks/
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Where does this marketed USB4 hub fit into the ecosystem? It seems to more “USBC hub” in style rather than a thunderbolt dock.
https://satechi.net/products/usb4-multiport-w2-5g-ethernet?variant=40077523124312
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I’ve compared similar USB4 hubs along with the Thunderbolt docks here: https://dancharblog.wordpress.com/2021/02/05/usb4-tb4-docks/#usb4-multi-function-adapters-and-docking-stations-6
Also see a helpful video from Via Labs, the chipset manufacturer for all the “USB4” hubs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb9u4f0p6oY
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How would this change if the source is an android phone, rather than a laptop?
I have a UPerfect X Pro Laptopdock – 4k, 60hz, touch, keyboard/,mouse.
I’m trying to connect to an android phone (one touch 9 pro), but so far I can either get the display working, or the keyboard. (over usbc)
It’s undocumented online, but the manual lists:
2) Type-C OTG Port: Can be connected to mouse and keyboard.
4) PD Port: Only for power supply
5) Type C Port For Both signal transmission and power supply
6) Mini HDMI port
It suggests I can get this working by plugging a pd charger into the monitor, then a single USB-C Cable from the monitor to the phone (or laptop) but for the life of me I can’t seem to find a working config, including via HDMI.
FWIW I can get video output via my phone to the Type C port with
Manufacturers cable
a CableMatters 10GB cable
Cable Matters Thunderbolt 4 cable
but not:
Nekteck USB-IF Certified USB C 3.1 GEN 2 Cable(10Gbps/100W) USB C to USB C Cable (Thunderbolt 3 Compatible) & Power Delivery Compatible with 2018 MacBook Air, Galaxy S9, ThinkPad Yoga
Monoprice Durable USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C Data and Power Kevlar Reinforced Nylon-Braid Cable – 1 Meter – White | 5A/100W – AtlasFlex Series
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Just realized that online it states ” INTERFACE 1
1mini HDMI, 13.5mm aux, 1*USB-C Otg
INTERFACE 2
2Type C (1support Thunderbolt 3 and USB 3.1, 1*Power)”
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